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	<title>Comments on: Can &#8220;Mommy Dearest&#8221; Become &#8220;Granny Goodheart&#8221;? And The Survey Says&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Vodka Tonic</title>
		<link>http://www.mouthyhousewives.com/heather/2783/comment-page-1#comment-168569</link>
		<dc:creator>Vodka Tonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 05:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update: Af the, ahm, Tail End of that visit (which ended up getting extended, because she conveniently got food poisoning), I was rescheduling her flight online. For the next day. She had a snide comment, &quot;You&#039;re just sooo ready to get rid of me, huh?&quot; 

I asked her, &quot;Why?&quot; 
&quot;Why do you think that I would be happy to get rid of you?&quot; 
Her reply, &quot;Because you don&#039;t like me.&quot;
&quot;Why?&quot;
&quot;Because that&#039;s the way mothers and daughters are. Contentious.&quot;
etc.

So I told her EXACTLY WHY I can&#039;t stand her. And exactly what she needed to do, if she wanted to have a relationship with us:
1) Get into weekly psychotherapy.
2) Gain insight into her past relationship with me, and what she wants now.
3) Apologize.

And in the past two months, she has done nothing. Maybe mail my son an Easter card, and mail me the usual unsolicited diaper coupons and newspaper clippings from &quot;back home.&quot; Never a note, though. Never a call. I skyped with her once or twice. The most recent online chat, about a week ago, resulted in my confrontation: What have you done about making progress on our relationship.

No answer.

So. I am done. It&#039;s still going to be delicate, maintaining a neutral relationship with my sweet 90-year-old granny and nice auntie, but I am done with my mother. I suppose I should pen her a letter, but for now, I am just happy feeling done with all that.  

My son still looks over my shoulder on the computer, and asks, &quot;Grandma?&quot; sometimes. But I just say that Grandma isn&#039;t home right now, and leave it at that.  He just turned two. Maybe he&#039;ll just forget about her.  Maybe we&#039;ll be lucky, and I will, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: Af the, ahm, Tail End of that visit (which ended up getting extended, because she conveniently got food poisoning), I was rescheduling her flight online. For the next day. She had a snide comment, &#8220;You&#8217;re just sooo ready to get rid of me, huh?&#8221; </p>
<p>I asked her, &#8220;Why?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Why do you think that I would be happy to get rid of you?&#8221;<br />
Her reply, &#8220;Because you don&#8217;t like me.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Why?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Because that&#8217;s the way mothers and daughters are. Contentious.&#8221;<br />
etc.</p>
<p>So I told her EXACTLY WHY I can&#8217;t stand her. And exactly what she needed to do, if she wanted to have a relationship with us:<br />
1) Get into weekly psychotherapy.<br />
2) Gain insight into her past relationship with me, and what she wants now.<br />
3) Apologize.</p>
<p>And in the past two months, she has done nothing. Maybe mail my son an Easter card, and mail me the usual unsolicited diaper coupons and newspaper clippings from &#8220;back home.&#8221; Never a note, though. Never a call. I skyped with her once or twice. The most recent online chat, about a week ago, resulted in my confrontation: What have you done about making progress on our relationship.</p>
<p>No answer.</p>
<p>So. I am done. It&#8217;s still going to be delicate, maintaining a neutral relationship with my sweet 90-year-old granny and nice auntie, but I am done with my mother. I suppose I should pen her a letter, but for now, I am just happy feeling done with all that.  </p>
<p>My son still looks over my shoulder on the computer, and asks, &#8220;Grandma?&#8221; sometimes. But I just say that Grandma isn&#8217;t home right now, and leave it at that.  He just turned two. Maybe he&#8217;ll just forget about her.  Maybe we&#8217;ll be lucky, and I will, too.</p>
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		<title>By: kimmyquilts</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimmyquilts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She may be good to your son right now, because little kids are just so cute and lovable, what&#039;sto say when he gets a little older she may decide he&#039;s not as fun as he is now and turns on him too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She may be good to your son right now, because little kids are just so cute and lovable, what&#8217;sto say when he gets a little older she may decide he&#8217;s not as fun as he is now and turns on him too.</p>
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		<title>By: Vodka Tonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vodka Tonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect timing. She just flew in last night.

As many of you said, counseling is a good idea. I agree. I had a few years of it way-back-when, to dig my way out of much of the anger, guilt, and shame that buried and defined me for years. I remember my therapist telling me that having children was going to bring a lot of things back up. She was right. In any case, I don&#039;t have any dental or mental right now, so I guess she can eat the whole damn box of Ding Dongs herself. 

And I&#039;m going to keep working on this, I really am. My son deserves it. So do I.

Thank you, virtual friends. Cheers to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect timing. She just flew in last night.</p>
<p>As many of you said, counseling is a good idea. I agree. I had a few years of it way-back-when, to dig my way out of much of the anger, guilt, and shame that buried and defined me for years. I remember my therapist telling me that having children was going to bring a lot of things back up. She was right. In any case, I don&#8217;t have any dental or mental right now, so I guess she can eat the whole damn box of Ding Dongs herself. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m going to keep working on this, I really am. My son deserves it. So do I.</p>
<p>Thank you, virtual friends. Cheers to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Plano Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plano Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very good points, however what I also read in this letter is a whole heap of angry. If she is, her son can tell. 

One other option is to tell Mom that if she wants to come visit, she stays in a hotel.  That way her visits can be controlled, even when she is in town.  It will also help keep the length of the visit down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very good points, however what I also read in this letter is a whole heap of angry. If she is, her son can tell. </p>
<p>One other option is to tell Mom that if she wants to come visit, she stays in a hotel.  That way her visits can be controlled, even when she is in town.  It will also help keep the length of the visit down.</p>
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		<title>By: mama</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen, Heather &amp; others. VT, your job, first &amp; foremost, is to protect your son. it is your mother&#039;s responsibility to get herself to a place where she can acknowledge her problems &amp; to treat others with respect. so far she hasn&#039;t. it is absolutely your responsibility to set the boundaries for your kid&#039;s safety &amp; well-being  (&amp; for you!). due to her past history &amp; current behavior *she* has lost the &quot;right&quot; to be in your life or your son&#039;s life. it is up to her to make the choice to do the work to re-earn it.  do not be fooled that your mother won&#039;t hurt your child, as she did you. whatever is behind her pain, she clearly hasn&#039;t come to clarity &amp; healing, &amp; she will continue to behave this way &amp; she will cause damage. you have done an AMAZING thing to have broken the cycle for yourself. give your son this gift too, &amp; let him know and be surrounded by GOOD love and care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen, Heather &amp; others. VT, your job, first &amp; foremost, is to protect your son. it is your mother&#8217;s responsibility to get herself to a place where she can acknowledge her problems &amp; to treat others with respect. so far she hasn&#8217;t. it is absolutely your responsibility to set the boundaries for your kid&#8217;s safety &amp; well-being  (&amp; for you!). due to her past history &amp; current behavior *she* has lost the &#8220;right&#8221; to be in your life or your son&#8217;s life. it is up to her to make the choice to do the work to re-earn it.  do not be fooled that your mother won&#8217;t hurt your child, as she did you. whatever is behind her pain, she clearly hasn&#8217;t come to clarity &amp; healing, &amp; she will continue to behave this way &amp; she will cause damage. you have done an AMAZING thing to have broken the cycle for yourself. give your son this gift too, &amp; let him know and be surrounded by GOOD love and care.</p>
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		<title>By: Tired, tired mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tired, tired mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look sweetie, I came from a similar home. My mother is mentally ill, and my father rectified his terrible marriage to this mentally ill woman by marrying another one (his mother was schizophrenic). I know about toxic parents. I know about feeling guilty for wanting to protect yourself and your children for the abuse that will invariably result from your continued relationship.

LET IT GO! You don&#039;t need to feel guilty! My Dad and his wife and kids were a big part of my son&#039;s life till he was 4. Shortly after his 4th birthday, the while relationship went up in the flames of legal battles, evictions, and restrainign orders. I worried about what kind of effect it would have on him. It&#039;s two years later and he doesn&#039;t even remember them. I promise, do what&#039;s right for yourself and your family and everything will be ok. 

This is a really long reply. I just know too much to not say what&#039;s on my mind! 

Congratulations on breaking the cycle. Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look sweetie, I came from a similar home. My mother is mentally ill, and my father rectified his terrible marriage to this mentally ill woman by marrying another one (his mother was schizophrenic). I know about toxic parents. I know about feeling guilty for wanting to protect yourself and your children for the abuse that will invariably result from your continued relationship.</p>
<p>LET IT GO! You don&#8217;t need to feel guilty! My Dad and his wife and kids were a big part of my son&#8217;s life till he was 4. Shortly after his 4th birthday, the while relationship went up in the flames of legal battles, evictions, and restrainign orders. I worried about what kind of effect it would have on him. It&#8217;s two years later and he doesn&#8217;t even remember them. I promise, do what&#8217;s right for yourself and your family and everything will be ok. </p>
<p>This is a really long reply. I just know too much to not say what&#8217;s on my mind! </p>
<p>Congratulations on breaking the cycle. Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But growing up forces us to recognize that people who do not deserve our love and attention do NOT deserve our love and attention. This woman was abusive towards two of her children growing up and continues to be so to the daughter.

I say this is a great lesson for the child. When he is older Mom can explain why she chose to exclude her Mother from her and her child&#039;s life.

Because she had the SELF RESPECT to do so. No one deserves to treat us badly. No one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But growing up forces us to recognize that people who do not deserve our love and attention do NOT deserve our love and attention. This woman was abusive towards two of her children growing up and continues to be so to the daughter.</p>
<p>I say this is a great lesson for the child. When he is older Mom can explain why she chose to exclude her Mother from her and her child&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>Because she had the SELF RESPECT to do so. No one deserves to treat us badly. No one.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear Heather! So very well said. You do not owe this woman ANYTHING. Cut the cord. If need be find your son a surrogate Granny, volunteer to visit an elderly person at an old folks home or something.

You and your child deserve far better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear Heather! So very well said. You do not owe this woman ANYTHING. Cut the cord. If need be find your son a surrogate Granny, volunteer to visit an elderly person at an old folks home or something.</p>
<p>You and your child deserve far better.</p>
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		<title>By: mom, again</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom, again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it&#039;s OK to be counting the days to her demise.  I have a relative like that.  I haven&#039;t been able to cut that person out because of other family members.  But I understand your feelings in the matter. 

In response to the 2nd paragraph, no, you don&#039;t have to let him beleive a lie.  But, if she lives long enough for him to have good memories of her, he deserves the chance of them. The longer he is around her, the less likely he&#039;ll beleive she&#039;s a saint.  Which brings us to the 3rd para.    He doesn&#039;t have to see Mom as a doormat for putting up with it. He can see it as mom made a choice. It all depends on what Mom teaches him to see in the situation. She&#039;s not a bystander in this.  She has every opportunity both to leverage gramma&#039;s desire to be around her grandson.  She needs to figure out what she intended by letting her mom ever come visit.  If it was because she thought mom would magically improve: that was a fail.  If it was because she wanted her son to know everyone that loved him, that worked.  Now she has to use that to teach him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it&#8217;s OK to be counting the days to her demise.  I have a relative like that.  I haven&#8217;t been able to cut that person out because of other family members.  But I understand your feelings in the matter. </p>
<p>In response to the 2nd paragraph, no, you don&#8217;t have to let him beleive a lie.  But, if she lives long enough for him to have good memories of her, he deserves the chance of them. The longer he is around her, the less likely he&#8217;ll beleive she&#8217;s a saint.  Which brings us to the 3rd para.    He doesn&#8217;t have to see Mom as a doormat for putting up with it. He can see it as mom made a choice. It all depends on what Mom teaches him to see in the situation. She&#8217;s not a bystander in this.  She has every opportunity both to leverage gramma&#8217;s desire to be around her grandson.  She needs to figure out what she intended by letting her mom ever come visit.  If it was because she thought mom would magically improve: that was a fail.  If it was because she wanted her son to know everyone that loved him, that worked.  Now she has to use that to teach him.</p>
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		<title>By: mom, again</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom, again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno guys.  I&#039;m definately against popular opinion here, but I don&#039;t see where kicking her to the curb shows the son how good mommy is at treating people kindly.  (see more in response to Plano Mom)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno guys.  I&#8217;m definately against popular opinion here, but I don&#8217;t see where kicking her to the curb shows the son how good mommy is at treating people kindly.  (see more in response to Plano Mom)</p>
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